Cost of lidar and cameras will continue coming down, making new cars autonomous-ready within 10 years
Predictor: Dara Khosrowshahi · ep#243 "Uber vs. Tesla, Robotaxi Timelines, and the End of Human Driving | Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi | #243" · source
Prediction text
Cost of lidar and cameras will continue coming down, making new cars autonomous-ready within 10 years | the cost of lidar is really coming down. Cost of cameras are coming down. So, within 10 years every new car is going to be autonomous ready.
Watch events: Waymo 1M rides/wk (end-2026); Tesla Robotaxi scaling; NHTSA AV rules
Verbatim quote
the cost of lidar is really coming down. Cost of cameras are coming down. So, within 10 years every new car is going to be autonomous ready.
Predictor: Dara Khosrowshahi
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Milestone chain
- 2026-06-01 → 2028-12-31pendingAutomotive LiDAR unit price reaches sub-$500 mass productionHow: Tier-1 supplier (Luminar, Hesai, Innoviz, Valeo) ships >=1M units of automotive LiDAR at <=$500 ASP per unit, confirmed in 10-Q/annual filingsSource: Luminar Halo $500 by 2026, Hesai/Chinese cost cutsconf 65%
- 2028-06-01 → 2030-12-31pendingAutomotive LiDAR unit price falls to $250 in mass productionHow: Tier-1 supplier 10-Q/IR disclosure shows automotive-grade LiDAR ASP <=$250/unit at >=1M annual volume; analyst consensus (Yole, Mordor, McKinsey) confirmsSource: Industry forecast $250 LiDAR by 2028 post-mass productionconf 50%
- 2029-06-01 → 2031-12-31pendingAutomotive LiDAR market crosses $5B annual revenue (ADAS adoption proxy)How: Mordor Intelligence / MarketsandMarkets / Yole report confirms global automotive LiDAR market revenue >=$5.0B/yearSource: Mordor: $1.23B (2025) -> $5.31B by 2030 at 33.96% CAGRconf 65%
- 2030-01-01 → 2034-12-31pendingL3+ autonomous-ready hardware standard in >=50% of new vehicle models in major OEM lineupHow: Top-10 global OEM (by units) discloses >=50% of new model launches include L3-or-higher hardware suite (LiDAR + camera + radar + compute) as standard or no-cost optionSource: China cost-cut acceleration + sub-$25K vehicle barrier breakingconf 50%
- 2034-01-01 → 2038-12-31pending100% of new car models from top-10 OEMs ship autonomous-ready sensor suite (event anchor proxy)How: JD Power / S&P Global Mobility audit confirms 100% of new model launches across top-10 global OEMs include factory-installed L3+ sensor suite (LiDAR or equivalent + 360-degree camera + radar)Source: Realization of Diamandis '10-year' thesisconf 30%
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Edges that influence THIS node's belief
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 243_037 Drivers will be able to transition to becoming fleet manager — Dara Khosrowshahi | 39.3% | 0.600 | 0.050 | -0.153 |
| killer | TK06 China-Taiwan Military Conflict | 8.0% | 0.050 | 0.600 | +0.140 |
| prereq | 243_038 Capital assets (cars) will at some point replace some labor — Dara Khosrowshahi | 43.5% | 0.600 | 0.050 | -0.130 |
| killer | TK11 Autonomous Regulatory Block (Level 4 Halt) | 10.0% | 0.050 | 0.600 | +0.129 |
| prereq | 244_017 Ilia (age 13) will still want a driver's license in 3 years — Dara Khosrowshahi | 45.3% | 0.600 | 0.050 | -0.121 |
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Prerequisites (20)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | SEM_008 | Training runs costing $10 billion for a single model will commence sometime in 2025. | AI | — |
| prereq | 234_012 | Anthropic revenue will cross OpenAI revenue in middle of 2026 | Markets/Stocks | — |
| prereq | 242_015 | Full autonomy achieved within 2 years before Salim's son gets driver's license | Auto/Transport | — |
| prereq | 244_019 | Peter's son won't need a driver's license in 2 years | Auto/Transport | — |
| prereq | SEM_012 | Nvidia quadrupled chip production output while only doubling human headcount — achieved by deploying AI coding tools (Cursor, Claude Code) across engineering. | AI/Manufacturing | — |
| prereq | SEM_005 | Stargate is a $500 billion multiyear capex program for distributed AI data-center construction (2025-2028, with Trump administration partnership). | AI/Infrastructure | — |
| prereq | 244_020 | Need for driver's licenses is going to collapse over the next few years | Auto/Transport | — |
| prereq | 246_039 | Autonomous vehicles/flying cars coming by 2028. | Auto/Transport | — |
| prereq | 243_031 | Uber will have significantly more drivers in 2030 than today, including in US | Labor/Jobs | — |
| prereq | 230_018 | In 5 years, 70-80% of cars will be autonomous, especially hooked up to your AI. | Auto/Transport | — |
| prereq | 244_031 | Uber's network will move to EVs as autonomous becomes bigger reality | Energy | — |
| prereq | 243_038 | Capital assets (cars) will at some point replace some labor (drivers) | Labor/Jobs | — |
| prereq | 243_037 | Drivers will be able to transition to becoming fleet managers/owners of autonomous vehicles | Labor/Jobs | — |
| prereq | 244_017 | Ilia (age 13) will still want a driver's license in 3 years due to slow AV mass production | Auto/Transport | — |
| correlate | S_ROBOTAXI_NATIONWIDE_2028 | Robotaxi nationwide expansion by Nov 2028 | robotaxi_deployment | — |
| correlate | S_ROBOTAXI_TESLA_2026 | Tesla FSD unsupervised wide deployment by Nov 2026 | robotaxi_deployment | — |
| correlate | S_ROBOTAXI_MASS_2030 | Robotaxi >10% urban miles by Nov 2030 | robotaxi_deployment | — |
| correlate | S_ROBOTAXI_DELAYED | Robotaxi mass deployment delayed past 2031 | robotaxi_deployment | — |
| killer | TK11 | Autonomous Regulatory Block (Level 4 Halt) | — | — |
| killer | TK06 | China-Taiwan Military Conflict | — | — |
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Raw metadata
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