People buying clones of their dogs is a profitable ongoing consumer business (will persist)
Predictor: Ben Lamm · ep#245 "AI + Synthetic Biology: The Most Transformative Technology in Human History | Ben Lamm (Colossal)" · source
Prediction text
People buying clones of their dogs is a profitable ongoing consumer business (will persist) | we're not taking away the cloning business for consumers. So people love that business. It's a profitable business. We're still supporting that business.
Verbatim quote
we're not taking away the cloning business for consumers. So people love that business. It's a profitable business. We're still supporting that business.
Predictor: Ben Lamm
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Probability over time
Milestone chain
- 2026-06-01 → 2030-12-31pendingPet cloning order volumes grow or hold steady (validating 'profitable, ongoing' claim); waitlist remains 5-7 months or longerHow: Viagen public statements or trade press report pet cloning waitlist sustained at >=5 months and annual order volume stable or growing vs 2025 baselineSource: Viagen press; Bloomberg / Globe and Mail trade coverageconf 70%
- 2027-01-01 → 2030-12-31pendingColossal Biosciences (post Viagen acquisition Nov 2025) maintains pet cloning as continuing operational subsidiary with disclosed revenue continuationHow: Colossal annual disclosure or press release confirms Viagen pet cloning subsidiary continues operations with cloning waitlist active and pricing maintained at consumer level (USD 25K-50K)Source: Colossal Biosciences corporate disclosures; Viagen Pets website pricingconf 85%
- 2027-01-01 → 2035-12-31pendingCompetitor entry into commercial pet cloning (e.g., Sinogene Biotechnology US/EU expansion, new entrants) signals market validationHow: At least 1 additional commercial pet cloning provider beyond Viagen/Sinogene announces operations or expanded geography in US or EU, indicating market growth and persistenceSource: Trade press; company announcementsconf 45%
- 2026-04-30 → 2040-12-31pendingCelebrity / high-profile cloning cases (post-Streisand, post-Tom Brady) continue periodically through window, sustaining cultural awarenessHow: At least 3 documented high-profile celebrity or media-covered consumer dog cloning cases over the window, sustaining mainstream press coverageSource: People/Today/major outlet coverageconf 60%
- 2030-01-01 → 2038-12-31pendingCloning unit cost falls (success rate gains, scaled SCNT) bringing entry-level pricing under USD 25K, expanding addressable marketHow: Viagen or competitor publishes pet dog cloning entry pricing <=USD 25K (real terms), validating cost trajectory needed for broader consumer adoptionSource: Viagen/Sinogene pricing pages; trade pressconf 45%
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Evidence chain
Network propagation neighbors
Top incoming (parents)
Edges that influence THIS node's belief
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | S_ASI_SLOW_2040PLUS ASI slow: post-2040 / soft takeoff | 60.0% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.093 |
| killer | TK03 AI Regulatory Moratorium (EU/US Capability Freeze) | 10.0% | 0.050 | 0.500 | +0.042 |
| prereq | SEM_042 2025 will be the definitive year that agentic systems finall — Kevin Weil | 73.8% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.035 |
| prereq | 235_038 David Sinclair begins partial epigenetic reprogramming trial — Peter Diamandis | 74.0% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.033 |
| prereq | SEM_012 Nvidia quadrupled chip production output while only doubling — Jensen Huang | 75.0% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.029 |
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Predictions THIS node influences
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 246_016 Dragonfly nuclear-powered octicopter arrives at Titan in 203 — Peter Diamandis | 35.6% | 0.650 | 0.050 | -0.063 |
| prereq | 235_030 Ray Kurzweil predicts Longevity Escape Velocity (LEV) by 203 — Ray Kurzweil | 39.2% | 0.750 | 0.050 | -0.059 |
| prereq | 240_036 TEPCO's restarted reactor will support 20% of Japan's electr — Peter Diamandis | 34.3% | 0.650 | 0.050 | -0.050 |
| prereq | 239_008 Moon base will exist in 10 years — Elon Musk | 28.8% | 0.550 | 0.050 | -0.035 |
| prereq | SEM_034 True artificial general intelligence will be achieved betwee — Demis Hassabis | 28.7% | 0.550 | 0.050 | -0.034 |
Ticker exposure
Beneficiaries (23)
Adverse (6)
Prerequisites (9)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 235_038 | David Sinclair begins partial epigenetic reprogramming trials with Life Biosciences in March 2026. | Biotech/Longevity | — |
| prereq | SEM_008 | Training runs costing $10 billion for a single model will commence sometime in 2025. | AI | — |
| prereq | 238_009 | Recursive self-improvement is already happening now (no longer three years out) | AI | — |
| prereq | SEM_012 | Nvidia quadrupled chip production output while only doubling human headcount — achieved by deploying AI coding tools (Cursor, Claude Code) across engineering. | AI/Manufacturing | — |
| prereq | SEM_042 | 2025 will be the definitive year that agentic systems finally hit the mainstream. | AI/Agents | — |
| prereq | S_ASI_SLOW_2040PLUS | ASI slow: post-2040 / soft takeoff | asi_recursive_self_improvement | — |
| killer | TK14 | Superbubble Pop (S&P 500 -40%, Moonshot Capital Evaporates) | — | — |
| killer | TK01 | AGI Capability Plateau (2026-27 Training Stall) | — | — |
| killer | TK03 | AI Regulatory Moratorium (EU/US Capability Freeze) | — | — |
Dependents (5)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 235_030 | Ray Kurzweil predicts Longevity Escape Velocity (LEV) by 2033. | Biotech/Longevity | — |
| prereq | 246_016 | Dragonfly nuclear-powered octicopter arrives at Titan in 2034. | Space | — |
| prereq | 240_036 | TEPCO's restarted reactor will support 20% of Japan's electric needs by 2040 | Energy | — |
| prereq | SEM_034 | True artificial general intelligence will be achieved between 2032 and 2042 — 'first we solve AI, then use AI to solve everything else'. | AI/AGI | — |
| prereq | 239_008 | Moon base will exist in 10 years | Space | — |
Linked documents (4)
| Sim | Source | Title | Market prob | Polarity | Reviewed | Published |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0.576 | polymarket | LoL: FURIA Esports vs RED Canids (BO3) - CBLOL Regular Season | 100% | mentions | pending | 2026-04-27 |
| 0.567 | polymarket | LoL: FURIA Esports vs RED Canids - Game 1 Winner | 0% | mentions | pending | 2026-04-27 |
| 0.567 | polymarket | LoL: FURIA Esports vs RED Canids - Game 2 Winner | 100% | mentions | pending | 2026-04-27 |
| 0.554 | manifold | Will my family member's dog win the charity beer label contest with One Tail at a Time? | 12% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-28 |
Raw metadata
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