China will land on moon by 2030 (credible competitive mission).
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross · ep#246 "SpaceX Goes Public, Claude's Mythos Release, and the US Data Center Delay | EP #246" · source
Prediction text
China will land on moon by 2030 (credible competitive mission). | China does have a credible uh competitive mission to the moon to land there by 2030.
Watch events: Starcloud Blackwell satellite (Oct 2026); Google Project Suncatcher demo satellite; FCC DC filings
Verbatim quote
China does have a credible uh competitive mission to the moon to land there by 2030.
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross
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Milestone chain
- 2026-12-01 → 2027-09-30pendingLong March 10 first uncrewed orbital flight testHow: CMSA / CASC press release confirming first orbital test flight of LM-10 (single-core variant); NASASpaceflight or SCMP coverage with launch date and outcomeSource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_10conf 65%
- 2027-01-01 → 2027-12-31pendingLanyue lander integrated full-system landing/takeoff testHow: CASC announcement of completed integrated landing-and-ascent test for Lanyue lander (beyond the 2025 component-level verification)Source: https://english.news.cn/20251030/591a588b136b47c2b5dfd235f9250334/c.htmlconf 60%
- 2028-01-01 → 2029-06-30pendingMengzhou crewed spacecraft uncrewed flight test in lunar transfer orbitHow: Successful Mengzhou launch on Long March 10, beyond LEO trajectory toward Moon, recovery confirmed by CMSASource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Programconf 55%
- 2028-06-01 → 2029-12-31pendingFull uncrewed Mengzhou-Lanyue lunar dress rehearsal missionHow: End-to-end uncrewed rehearsal: Mengzhou + Lanyue launched, lunar orbit rendezvous, robotic descent and ascent, return to EarthSource: https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2025/11/china-is-going-to-the-moon-by-2030-heres-whats-known.htmlconf 50%
- 2029-06-01 → 2030-06-30pendingTwo LM-10 launches within 6 weeks (crew + lander) demonstrating dual-launch cadenceHow: China demonstrates the architecturally required dual-launch profile (crew vehicle + lander on separate LM-10 cores within a narrow window) on real or rehearsal missionSource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyueconf 45%
- 2030-08-01 → 2031-12-31pendingIf landing succeeds: China publishes ILRS construction plan for 2031-2035 phaseHow: CNSA / CMSA roadmap document or press release tying 2030 landing to International Lunar Research Station basic-station construction milestonesSource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Programconf 55%
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Edges that influence THIS node's belief
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 248_037 State data-center moratoriums will accelerate Dyson-swarm / — Alex Wissner-Gross | 10.2% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.175 |
| prereq | 248_019 US data center moratoriums will push AI compute out to LEO / — Alex Wissner-Gross | 11.9% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.152 |
| killer | TK06 China-Taiwan Military Conflict | 8.0% | 0.050 | 0.500 | +0.147 |
| killer | TK15 SpaceX Starship Catastrophic Failure | 12.0% | 0.050 | 0.500 | +0.129 |
| prereq | SEM_044 Blue Origin will land cargo at Shackleton Crater before Spac — Peter Diamandis | 32.2% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.119 |
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Predictions THIS node influences
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Beneficiaries (22)
Adverse (3)
Prerequisites (20)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 240_027 | SpaceX and xAI will merge and go public in the next couple of months | Markets/Stocks | — |
| prereq | 248_003 | SpaceX plans to launch 40,000 V3 Starlink satellites and then 120,000 V4 satellites. | Space | — |
| prereq | 246_001 | SpaceX will IPO at $2 trillion valuation, raising $75 billion as largest IPO in history. | Markets/Stocks | — |
| prereq | 237_028 | Abundance Summit will live-stream Eric Schmidt, Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi, and a WTF Moonshot podcast this year. | Media/Ads | — |
| prereq | 246_008 | Elon Musk will merge SpaceX and XAI (with Tesla) within a year (Peter's view). | Markets/Stocks | — |
| prereq | 231_035 | SpaceX/Elon will consume all their launch capacity for Starlink, leaving other providers constrained. | Space | — |
| prereq | 246_012 | Artemis 3 crewed mission to low earth orbit in 2027 (rendezvous/docking tests). | Space | — |
| prereq | 246_013 | Artemis 4 crewed moon landing mission to south pole in early 2028. | Space | — |
| prereq | 248_004 | Launching 40,000 V3 Starlinks requires only 3 Starship launches per week over 3 years. | Space | — |
| prereq | 248_019 | US data center moratoriums will push AI compute out to LEO / sun-synchronous orbit / Dyson swarm. | Space | — |
| prereq | 232_051 | Amazon's satellite construction outpaces launch capacity; duopoly between Starlink and Amazon LEO. | Space | — |
| prereq | 248_041 | Maine data center moratorium gives other states / Elon time to move compute to orbit. | Space | — |
| prereq | 237_026 | The cadence of AI breakthroughs and Moonshot episodes will keep picking up as we are in the singularity. | AI | — |
| prereq | 248_037 | State data-center moratoriums will accelerate Dyson-swarm / orbital compute innovation due to constriction. | AI | — |
| prereq | 232_046 | SpaceX will build a system that allows anyone to travel to moon and Mars after Starship V3 flies repeatedly. | Space | — |
| prereq | 242_038 | Humans will land on the moon again in 2-3 years via Starship | Space | — |
| prereq | 248_001 | Apple will soon pit Amazon (Global Star) against SpaceX Starlink as dual satellite vendors. | Space | — |
| prereq | SEM_044 | Blue Origin will land cargo at Shackleton Crater before SpaceX — validating lunar economy and resource extraction as immediate commercial priority. | Space | — |
| killer | TK15 | SpaceX Starship Catastrophic Failure | — | — |
| killer | TK06 | China-Taiwan Military Conflict | — | — |
Dependents (2)
Expected milestones (1)
| Expected by | Description | Status |
|---|---|---|
| 2030-12-31 | [Geopolitics 2030-12] ing metrics; BIS export-control actions [246_020] Starcloud Blackwell satellite (Oct 2026); Google Project Suncatcher demo satellite; FCC DC filings | pending |
Linked documents (10)
| Sim | Source | Title | Market prob | Polarity | Reviewed | Published |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0.749 | manifold | Will China fly people to the moon before Chinese New Year 2028? | 36% | mentions | pending | 2026-06-05 |
| 0.659 | manifold | Who will launch the first crewed Mars flyby mission, USA or China? | — | mentions | pending | 2026-06-01 |
| 0.656 | manifold | China vs Japan Conflict before 2027? | — | mentions | pending | 2026-04-29 |
| 0.649 | polymarket | Will China invade Taiwan by September 30, 2026? | 3% | mentions | pending | 2026-03-17 |
| 0.646 | polymarket | Will China invade Taiwan by end of 2026? | 7% | mentions | pending | 2025-07-24 |
| 0.645 | polymarket | Will China invade Taiwan by June 30, 2026? | 2% | mentions | pending | 2025-12-17 |
| 0.632 | manifold | Will a rover from Earth land on the moon Ganymede by EOY 2046? | 77% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-02 |
| 0.619 | polymarket | Will South Korea win the 2026 FIFA World Cup? | 0% | mentions | pending | 2025-07-02 |
| 0.617 | polymarket | Will Trump visit China by April 30? | 0% | mentions | pending | 2025-11-26 |
| 0.615 | polymarket | Will Uzbekistan win the 2026 FIFA World Cup? | 0% | mentions | pending | 2025-07-02 |
Raw metadata
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