Apple will soon pit Amazon (Global Star) against SpaceX Starlink as dual satellite vendors.
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross · ep#248 "Sam Altman's Attack, Amazon vs. Starlink, and What Opus 4.7 Actually Means | #248" · source
Prediction text
Apple will soon pit Amazon (Global Star) against SpaceX Starlink as dual satellite vendors. | I would bet that Apple in short term ends up pitting Amazon, the new global star owner, against SpaceX Starlink, to have at least two vendors for global space to cell phone service. And this is this becomes the the new alternative to terrestrial networks in two years.
Watch events: SpaceX IPO roadshow (Jun 2026); Starship V3 orbital test; Starlink V3 launch cadence; Apple WWDC 2026 June 8-12 keynote
Verbatim quote
I would bet that Apple in short term ends up pitting Amazon, the new global star owner, against SpaceX Starlink, to have at least two vendors for global space to cell phone service. And this is this becomes the the new alternative to terrestrial networks in two years.
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross
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Probability over time
Milestone chain
- 2026-06-15pendingQ1 window check-in (25%)
- 2026-06-01 → 2026-07-30pendingAmazon Leo deploys >50% of FCC-mandated 1,618 satellitesHow: Amazon (Project Kuiper / Amazon Leo) deploys 1,618+ satellites by July 2026 FCC deadline (50% of 3,236 total FCC commitment)Source: FCC requires Amazon to deploy half of 3,236 satellites by July 2026; ~3,200 by 2029conf 55%
- 2026-04-14hitApple announces Amazon Globalstar / Project Kuiper as iPhone satellite vendorHow: Apple publicly confirms second satellite vendor partnership beyond exclusive Globalstar legacy deal — pitting Amazon constellation OR SpaceX Starlink against incumbentSource: Amazon $11.6B Globalstar acquisition + long-term Apple partnership announced April 14 2026 — Amazon Leo to power iPhone/Apple Watch satellite featuresconf 95%Notes: HIT — Amazon $11.57B Globalstar acquisition confirmed April 14 2026 with explicit Apple long-term partnership for iPhone/Apple Watch satellite. Wissner-Gross's prediction validated within 1 year window.
- 2026-11-28pendingQ2 window check-in (50%)
- 2027-05-12pendingQ3 window check-in (75%)
- 2026-09-01 → 2028-06-30pendingApple satellite revenue line item appears separately in 10-QHow: Apple breaks out Services / satellite revenue category, OR analyst estimates satellite-services revenue >$1B annualized run-rateSource: Macroeconomic/financial analyst projections post-Globalstar dealconf 30%
- 2026-06-01 → 2028-10-31pendingiPhone formally adds SpaceX Starlink as second-vendor optionHow: Apple announces SpaceX Starlink direct-to-cell integration on iPhone as official second satellite vendor (separate from Apple-Globalstar/Amazon)Source: Wissner-Gross's specific dual-vendor framing; competitive pressure from T-Mobile-Starlink already liveconf 30%Notes: Direct test of 'pitting' framing — requires both vendors active on iPhone.
- 2026-06-01 → 2028-12-31pendingDirect-to-device satellite cellular displaces terrestrial backup for emergency / SOSHow: Major US carrier (Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile) reports satellite-to-phone services exceeding terrestrial backup volume for SOS/emergency useSource: Starlink already has 670+ D2D sats covering 90% of unpopulated areas (April 2026)conf 55%
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Predictions THIS node influences
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 230_016 Data center regulation in NY/elsewhere will accelerate movin — Alex Wissner-Gross | 54.7% | 0.920 | 0.050 | -0.136 |
| prereq | 232_046 SpaceX will build a system that allows anyone to travel to m — Elon Musk | 32.5% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.088 |
| prereq | 246_020 China will land on moon by 2030 (credible competitive missio — Alex Wissner-Gross | 31.7% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.080 |
| prereq | 231_032 Everyone (China included) will want their own Dyson swarms/S — Alex Wissner-Gross | 31.2% | 0.500 | 0.050 | -0.076 |
| prereq | 232_049 Dyson swarm of AI orbital data centers will be built by disa — Alex Wissner-Gross | 19.0% | 0.300 | 0.050 | -0.037 |
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Prerequisites (2)
Dependents (5)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 230_016 | Data center regulation in NY/elsewhere will accelerate moving compute to orbit (Dyson swarm). | Space | — |
| prereq | 231_032 | Everyone (China included) will want their own Dyson swarms/Saturnian rings in solar-synchronous orbit. | Space | — |
| prereq | 246_020 | China will land on moon by 2030 (credible competitive mission). | Geopolitics | — |
| prereq | 232_046 | SpaceX will build a system that allows anyone to travel to moon and Mars after Starship V3 flies repeatedly. | Space | — |
| prereq | 232_049 | Dyson swarm of AI orbital data centers will be built by disassembling the moon via mass drivers. | Space | — |
Expected milestones (1)
| Expected by | Description | Status |
|---|---|---|
| 2028-12-31 | [Space 2028-12] robably a year or two away from launch. [248_001] SpaceX IPO roadshow (Jun 2026); Starship V3 orbital test; Starlink V3 launch cadence; Apple WWDC 202 | pending |
Linked documents (10)
| Sim | Source | Title | Market prob | Polarity | Reviewed | Published |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0.636 | edgar_8k | Globalstar, Inc. (GSAT) (CIK 0001366868) | — | mentions | pending | 2026-05-15 |
| 0.612 | manifold | Starmer out before August? | 16% | mentions | pending | 2026-06-01 |
| 0.604 | manifold | Will Apple stop selling the $599 MacBook Neo SKU before the end of 2026? | 26% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-08 |
| 0.601 | polymarket | Will Apple be the third-largest company in the world by market cap on May 31? | 100% | mentions | pending | 2026-04-16 |
| 0.595 | manifold | Starmer out before November? | 59% | mentions | pending | 2026-06-06 |
| 0.590 | manifold | Starmer out before October? | 47% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-24 |
| 0.586 | manifold | Will Starmer contest a leadership challenge? | 61% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-14 |
| 0.571 | edgar_8k | AST SpaceMobile, Inc. (ASTS) (CIK 0001780312) | — | mentions | pending | 2026-05-11 |
| 0.569 | edgar_8k | Galaxy Digital Inc. (GLXY) (CIK 0001859392) | — | mentions | pending | 2026-05-08 |
| 0.556 | edgar_8k | EchoStar CORP (SATS) (CIK 0001415404) | — | mentions | pending | 2026-06-01 |
Raw metadata
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