The bar for AI startups will rise to require being recursively self-improving
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross · ep#247 "Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI's $852B Valuation EP #247" · source
Prediction text
The bar for AI startups will rise to require being recursively self-improving | I would forecast in the near term the bar is going up in fact from just being an AI startup to being now a recursively self-improving AI startup
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I would forecast in the near term the bar is going up in fact from just being an AI startup to being now a recursively self-improving AI startup
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross
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Probability over time
Milestone chain
- 2026-05-01 → 2026-06-21overdueAI startup pitch decks publicly require recursive self-improvement narrativeHow: At least 3 top-quartile VCs (a16z, Sequoia, Founders Fund, Khosla) publish blog or memo declaring RSI mandatory for Series A AI investmentSource: Wissner-Gross thesis benchmarkconf 30%
- 2026-05-01 → 2026-06-21overdueFrontier lab discloses live recursive self-improvement loop in production trainingHow: Anthropic, OpenAI, DeepMind, or xAI public statement that current training run uses model-generated training data or model-as-judge in closed loop with measurable capability gainSource: futurist:Wissner-Gross + 238_009 RSI prereqconf 55%
- 2026-05-15 → 2026-08-31pendingFunding round for AI startup explicitly cites RSI architecture in announcementHow: Series A/B round of >=$50M for AI startup whose press release uses 'recursive self-improvement' or 'self-improving' as core differentiatorSource: training-window inferenceconf 50%
- 2026-07-01 → 2026-12-31pendingDown-round or shutdown of non-RSI AI startup signals bar-raiseHow: At least 2 prior unicorn AI startups raise flat-to-down rounds OR fold, with VC commentary citing 'no RSI moat'Source: training-window inferenceconf 35%
- 2026-09-01 → 2027-03-31pendingAI capex shifts towards training-time-compute over inferenceHow: Hyperscaler 10-Q discloses materially higher training-cluster capex share, or NVIDIA earnings call cites RSI workloads as driverSource: training-window inferenceconf 30%
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}Network propagation neighbors
Top incoming (parents)
Edges that influence THIS node's belief
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| killer | TK03 AI Regulatory Moratorium (EU/US Capability Freeze) | 10.0% | 0.050 | 0.450 | +0.086 |
| killer | TK01 AGI Capability Plateau (2026-27 Training Stall) | 15.0% | 0.050 | 0.450 | +0.066 |
| killer | TK14 Superbubble Pop (S&P 500 -40%, Moonshot Capital Evaporates) | 20.0% | 0.050 | 0.450 | +0.046 |
| prereq | 238_009 Recursive self-improvement is already happening now (no long — Alex Wissner-Gross | 78.1% | 0.450 | 0.050 | +0.035 |
| prereq | SEM_008 Training runs costing $10 billion for a single model will co — Dario Amodei | 76.9% | 0.450 | 0.050 | +0.031 |
Top outgoing (children)
Predictions THIS node influences
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 231_013 Math is cooked (will be solved), physics cooked, biology cha — Alex Wissner-Gross | 35.4% | 0.620 | 0.050 | -0.107 |
| prereq | 241_043 ASI will arrive within 2 years to 5 years to this next decad — Peter Diamandis | 35.9% | 0.650 | 0.050 | -0.101 |
| prereq | 235_030 Ray Kurzweil predicts Longevity Escape Velocity (LEV) by 203 — Ray Kurzweil | 39.2% | 0.750 | 0.050 | -0.101 |
| prereq | CMQ_002 By 2028, AI systems will reach 'independent researcher' leve — Sam Altman | 31.4% | 0.550 | 0.050 | -0.091 |
| prereq | 232_055 We're exiting the industrial age permanently as recursive se — Peter Diamandis | 35.5% | 0.700 | 0.050 | -0.080 |
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Beneficiaries (23)
Adverse (6)
Prerequisites (8)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | SEM_008 | Training runs costing $10 billion for a single model will commence sometime in 2025. | AI | — |
| prereq | 238_009 | Recursive self-improvement is already happening now (no longer three years out) | AI | — |
| prereq | 234_012 | Anthropic revenue will cross OpenAI revenue in middle of 2026 | Markets/Stocks | — |
| prereq | SEM_012 | Nvidia quadrupled chip production output while only doubling human headcount — achieved by deploying AI coding tools (Cursor, Claude Code) across engineering. | AI/Manufacturing | — |
| prereq | SEM_042 | 2025 will be the definitive year that agentic systems finally hit the mainstream. | AI/Agents | — |
| killer | TK14 | Superbubble Pop (S&P 500 -40%, Moonshot Capital Evaporates) | — | — |
| killer | TK01 | AGI Capability Plateau (2026-27 Training Stall) | — | — |
| killer | TK03 | AI Regulatory Moratorium (EU/US Capability Freeze) | — | — |
Dependents (5)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | 235_030 | Ray Kurzweil predicts Longevity Escape Velocity (LEV) by 2033. | Biotech/Longevity | — |
| prereq | 232_055 | We're exiting the industrial age permanently as recursive self-improvement unfolds. | AI | — |
| prereq | 241_043 | ASI will arrive within 2 years to 5 years to this next decade | AI | — |
| prereq | 231_013 | Math is cooked (will be solved), physics cooked, biology char broiled. | AI | — |
| prereq | CMQ_002 | By 2028, AI systems will reach 'independent researcher' level — driving autonomous scientific discoveries without human intervention. | AI | — |
Linked documents (7)
| Sim | Source | Title | Market prob | Polarity | Reviewed | Published |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0.634 | arxiv | Three-Stage Learning Unlocks Strong Performance in Simple Models for Long-Term Time Series Forecasting | — | mentions | pending | 2026-05-13 |
| 0.619 | arxiv | Novel Dynamic Batch-Sensitive Adam Optimiser for Vehicular Accident Injury Severity Prediction | — | mentions | pending | 2026-05-14 |
| 0.615 | github_release | facebookresearch/neuroai v0.1.1 | — | mentions | pending | 2026-05-05 |
| 0.614 | manifold | Will "Maybe I was too harsh on deep learning theory..." make the top fifty posts in LessWrong's 2026 Annual Review? | 11% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-11 |
| 0.595 | manifold | Which of these will I achieve? | — | mentions | pending | 2026-04-24 |
| 0.592 | manifold | Can anyone get talkie-1930 to describe Chomskian recursive syntax? | 19% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-13 |
| 0.570 | github_release | facebookresearch/exca 0.5.0 | — | mentions | pending | 2025-10-22 |
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