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DeepSeek V4 will NOT shock markets like prior DeepSeek releases.

Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross · ep#246 "SpaceX Goes Public, Claude's Mythos Release, and the US Data Center Delay | EP #246" · source

Prior probability
45.0%
Current probability
34.1%
evolves via intake + LBP
Conviction
3/5
Signal quality
C
Resolution
pending
Window
2026-01-01 – 2026-09-30
Edges in / out
7 / 5
Tickers exposed
33

Prediction text

DeepSeek V4 will NOT shock markets like prior DeepSeek releases. | I don't expect a hyperdelationary drop in in prices. This is not investment advice... I I don't expect a market shock out of Deep Deepseek V4 at all.

Verbatim quote

From episode "SpaceX Goes Public, Claude's Mythos Release, and the US Data Center Delay | EP #246"
I don't expect a hyperdelationary drop in in prices. This is not investment advice... I I don't expect a market shock out of Deep Deepseek V4 at all.

Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross

κ + Brier as of 2026-05-22
κ (discount)
0.844
Brier
0.0341
excellent
Hits / Misses
6 / 1
of 11 resolved
Hit rate
54.5%
Calibration plot (stated vs observed)

Evidence about this node from Alex Wissner-Gross is multiplied by κ in /api/intake. Lower κ = less weight; floors at 0.10 (effectively silenced) and caps at 1.00 (full weight).

Reference class

Not linked

This node isn't linked to a reference class. The Bayesian update applies without outside-view blending.

Probability over time

8 prob_history rows
0%25%50%75%100%prior 45%2026-04-302026-05-102026-05-24
intake v2milestone miss sweeplbp propagationreference class assignedlegacy v1prior_prob (analyst seed)current = 34.1%

Milestone chain

Pre-event signals (upstream prereqs + window checkpoints) → resolution event → downstream cascades. Status/dates update from linked nodes; re-derive nightly via scripts/ops/derive_milestones.py.
Leading chain: 5 fired ✓ · 3 overdue ⏱ · 1 pending
  1. 2026-04-25hitDeepSeek V4 launches publicly with model weights or API access
    How: DeepSeek officially releases V4 (preview, beta, or final) with public access via API, HuggingFace weights, or web interface, confirmed by DeepSeek announcement and at least one major outlet (CNBC, Reuters, Fortune, CNN)
    Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/24/deepseek-v4-llm-preview-open-source-ai-competition-china.htmlconf 95%
  2. 2026-04-24 → 2026-04-28overdueNasdaq-100 daily move on DeepSeek V4 launch day stays within +/-2% (no Jan-2025-style shock)
    How: On the trading day of DeepSeek V4 launch (or first trading day after if launched on weekend), Nasdaq-100 (NDX/QQQ) closes within +/-2% vs prior session, vs the ~5%+ drawdown in Jan 2025 after R1; verified via Yahoo Finance / Bloomberg
    Source: https://www.resultsense.com/news/2026-04-27-deepseek-v4-launch-muted-pricing-cuts/conf 85%
  3. 2026-04-24 → 2026-04-28overdueNvidia (NVDA) single-day move on V4 launch stays above -3%
    How: NVDA closing price on first US trading session after V4 announcement does not drop more than 3% intraday or close, vs the ~17% one-day drop on Jan 27, 2025 after R1; sourced from Nasdaq market data
    Source: https://fortune.com/2026/04/24/deepseek-v4-ai-model-price-performance-china-open-source/conf 80%
  4. 2026-04-24 → 2026-05-15overdueMajor analyst coverage characterizes V4 reaction as 'priced in' or 'muted' relative to R1 / V3
    How: At least 2 of {Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan, Bernstein, Wedbush, Bloomberg, Reuters, FT} publish notes or articles explicitly characterizing market reaction to V4 as muted, contained, or already priced-in vs prior DeepSeek releases
    Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/24/tech/chinas-ai-deepseek-v4-intl-hnkconf 85%
  5. 2026-05-15 → 2026-06-15pendingCascade: AI-capex/hyperscaler stocks regain or surpass pre-V4 levels within 30 days post launch
    How: Equal-weight basket of MSFT/META/GOOGL/AMZN/NVDA closes at or above 2026-04-23 close within 30 calendar days post V4 announcement; sourced from Nasdaq data
    Source: https://www.resultsense.com/news/2026-04-27-deepseek-v4-launch-muted-pricing-cuts/conf 55%
  6. 2026-05-01 → 2026-12-31pendingCascade: Chinese open-source AI parity narrative becomes consensus, no longer market-moving
    How: Subsequent Chinese frontier-model releases (Qwen, Kimi, GLM, or DeepSeek V5) trigger less than 1% NDX move on launch day in 2 of next 3 launches; tracked via Bloomberg market-moving-news feed
    Source: https://www.cfr.org/articles/deepseek-v4-signals-a-new-phase-in-the-u-s-china-ai-rivalryconf 60%

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Evidence chain

Every probability update with full Bayesian provenance — chronological, latest first
LBP2026-05-24T02:00:02Z34.1%+2.8pp
Network propagation: 31.2% → 34.1%
4-iter LBP, residual 0.01000 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v3 · run 806b02f8
LBP2026-05-17T02:00:01Z31.2%+5.3pp
Network propagation: 25.9% → 31.2%
5-iter LBP, residual 0.00689 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v3 · run e607fa96
metadata_milestone_miss_sweep2026-05-12T22:09:45Z25.9%-6.0pp
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LBP2026-05-10T02:00:02Z31.9%+5.1pp
Network propagation: 26.8% → 31.9%
6-iter LBP, residual 0.00584 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v3 · run e5c18d29
metadata_milestone_miss_sweep2026-05-04T22:07:29Z26.8%-12.4pp
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LBP2026-05-03T02:00:01Z39.2%-1.2pp
Network propagation: 40.4% → 39.2%
6-iter LBP, residual 0.00677 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v3 · run 1a683ac9
LBP2026-04-30T16:39:51Z40.4%-1.8pp
Network propagation: 42.2% → 40.4%
5-iter LBP, residual 0.00825 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v2 · run 0c8a4ea3
LBP2026-04-30T02:18:57Z42.2%-2.8pp
Network propagation: 45.0% → 42.2%
5-iter LBP, residual 0.00825 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v1 · run 592311ef

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