DeepSeek V4 will NOT shock markets like prior DeepSeek releases.
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross · ep#246 "SpaceX Goes Public, Claude's Mythos Release, and the US Data Center Delay | EP #246" · source
Prediction text
DeepSeek V4 will NOT shock markets like prior DeepSeek releases. | I don't expect a hyperdelationary drop in in prices. This is not investment advice... I I don't expect a market shock out of Deep Deepseek V4 at all.
Verbatim quote
I don't expect a hyperdelationary drop in in prices. This is not investment advice... I I don't expect a market shock out of Deep Deepseek V4 at all.
Predictor: Alex Wissner-Gross
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Milestone chain
- 2026-04-25hitDeepSeek V4 launches publicly with model weights or API accessHow: DeepSeek officially releases V4 (preview, beta, or final) with public access via API, HuggingFace weights, or web interface, confirmed by DeepSeek announcement and at least one major outlet (CNBC, Reuters, Fortune, CNN)Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/24/deepseek-v4-llm-preview-open-source-ai-competition-china.htmlconf 95%
- 2026-04-24 → 2026-04-28overdueNasdaq-100 daily move on DeepSeek V4 launch day stays within +/-2% (no Jan-2025-style shock)How: On the trading day of DeepSeek V4 launch (or first trading day after if launched on weekend), Nasdaq-100 (NDX/QQQ) closes within +/-2% vs prior session, vs the ~5%+ drawdown in Jan 2025 after R1; verified via Yahoo Finance / BloombergSource: https://www.resultsense.com/news/2026-04-27-deepseek-v4-launch-muted-pricing-cuts/conf 85%
- 2026-04-24 → 2026-04-28overdueNvidia (NVDA) single-day move on V4 launch stays above -3%How: NVDA closing price on first US trading session after V4 announcement does not drop more than 3% intraday or close, vs the ~17% one-day drop on Jan 27, 2025 after R1; sourced from Nasdaq market dataSource: https://fortune.com/2026/04/24/deepseek-v4-ai-model-price-performance-china-open-source/conf 80%
- 2026-04-24 → 2026-05-15overdueMajor analyst coverage characterizes V4 reaction as 'priced in' or 'muted' relative to R1 / V3How: At least 2 of {Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan, Bernstein, Wedbush, Bloomberg, Reuters, FT} publish notes or articles explicitly characterizing market reaction to V4 as muted, contained, or already priced-in vs prior DeepSeek releasesSource: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/24/tech/chinas-ai-deepseek-v4-intl-hnkconf 85%
- 2026-05-15 → 2026-06-15pendingCascade: AI-capex/hyperscaler stocks regain or surpass pre-V4 levels within 30 days post launchHow: Equal-weight basket of MSFT/META/GOOGL/AMZN/NVDA closes at or above 2026-04-23 close within 30 calendar days post V4 announcement; sourced from Nasdaq dataSource: https://www.resultsense.com/news/2026-04-27-deepseek-v4-launch-muted-pricing-cuts/conf 55%
- 2026-05-01 → 2026-12-31pendingCascade: Chinese open-source AI parity narrative becomes consensus, no longer market-movingHow: Subsequent Chinese frontier-model releases (Qwen, Kimi, GLM, or DeepSeek V5) trigger less than 1% NDX move on launch day in 2 of next 3 launches; tracked via Bloomberg market-moving-news feedSource: https://www.cfr.org/articles/deepseek-v4-signals-a-new-phase-in-the-u-s-china-ai-rivalryconf 60%
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