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Tesla Cybercab priced around $30K vs Waymo cars around $150K

Predictor: Peter Diamandis · ep#243 "Uber vs. Tesla, Robotaxi Timelines, and the End of Human Driving | Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi | #243" · source

Prior probability
60.0%
Current probability
51.0%
evolves via intake + LBP
Conviction
3/5
Signal quality
C
Resolution
pending
Window
2026-01-01 – 2026-10-31
Edges in / out
7 / 5
Tickers exposed
35

Prediction text

Tesla Cybercab priced around $30K vs Waymo cars around $150K | Waymo right now, the numbers I've seen come in at like 150k for a car, something on that order magnitude. And then Cybercab is saying they're coming in at 30k.

Verbatim quote

From episode "Uber vs. Tesla, Robotaxi Timelines, and the End of Human Driving | Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi | #243"
Waymo right now, the numbers I've seen come in at like 150k for a car, something on that order magnitude. And then Cybercab is saying they're coming in at 30k.

Predictor: Peter Diamandis

κ + Brier as of 2026-05-22
κ (discount)
0.875
Brier
0.0367
excellent
Hits / Misses
10 / 0
of 15 resolved
Hit rate
66.7%
Calibration plot (stated vs observed)

Evidence about this node from Peter Diamandis is multiplied by κ in /api/intake. Lower κ = less weight; floors at 0.10 (effectively silenced) and caps at 1.00 (full weight).

Reference class

Not linked

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Probability over time

4 prob_history rows
0%25%50%75%100%prior 60%2026-04-302026-05-032026-05-10
intake v2milestone miss sweeplbp propagationreference class assignedlegacy v1prior_prob (analyst seed)current = 51.0%

Milestone chain

Pre-event signals (upstream prereqs + window checkpoints) → resolution event → downstream cascades. Status/dates update from linked nodes; re-derive nightly via scripts/ops/derive_milestones.py.
Leading chain: 5 fired ✓ · 1 pending
  1. 2026-04-29hitTesla Cybercab first production VIN rolls off line
    How: Tesla begins Cybercab production at Giga Texas with first production-VIN unit; confirmed by independent reporting
    Source: The Driven — First Tesla Cybercab with production VIN rolls off line (April 29, 2026)conf 99%
    Notes: HIT — production began Feb 18, 2026 (first build); production-VIN unit rolled off April 29 per The Driven.
  2. 2026-04-01 → 2026-09-30pendingTesla confirms Cybercab retail price under $30,000
    How: Tesla publishes official retail pricing for Cybercab below $30,000 USD MSRP
    Source: Basenor — Tesla Cybercab Retail Sales Confirmed for Under $30k in 2026conf 85%
  3. 2026-04-01 → 2026-12-31pendingWaymo publishes per-vehicle build cost figure for Gen 5/6 robotaxi
    How: Waymo / Alphabet publishes formal per-vehicle cost (current estimate ~$150K) for current-gen Jaguar I-PACE / Hyundai IONIQ 5 robotaxi platform
    Source: Diamandis quote — 'numbers I've seen come in at like 150k for a car'conf 30%
    Notes: Waymo has not published per-vehicle cost — verification of $150K figure is the open question.
  4. 2026-05-01 → 2026-12-31pendingWaymo expands fleet beyond 1,500 vehicles or signs >2 city expansion deal
    How: Waymo publishes fleet size growth or new-city announcement signaling response to Cybercab cost-disruption threat
    Source: Anticipated — Waymo competitive responseconf 70%
    Notes: Cascade — direct test of whether $150K cost structure holds against $30K Cybercab.
  5. 2026-06-01 → 2026-12-31pendingTesla launches Cybercab ride-hailing service in pilot city
    How: Tesla begins Cybercab-based ride-hailing in Austin, San Francisco, Phoenix, or other pilot city — first paid rides served
    Source: Anticipated — Musk has stated 2026 ride-hailing targetconf 55%

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Evidence chain

Every probability update with full Bayesian provenance — chronological, latest first
LBP2026-05-10T02:00:02Z51.0%-1.1pp
Network propagation: 52.1% → 51.0%
6-iter LBP, residual 0.00584 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v3 · run e5c18d29
LBP2026-05-03T02:00:01Z52.1%-1.7pp
Network propagation: 53.8% → 52.1%
6-iter LBP, residual 0.00677 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v3 · run 1a683ac9
LBP2026-04-30T16:39:51Z53.8%-2.4pp
Network propagation: 56.2% → 53.8%
5-iter LBP, residual 0.00825 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v2 · run 0c8a4ea3
LBP2026-04-30T02:18:57Z56.2%-3.8pp
Network propagation: 60.0% → 56.2%
5-iter LBP, residual 0.00825 · damping 0.5, w_intrinsic 0.5 · method lbp_v1 · run 592311ef

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Ticker exposure

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Beneficiaries (23)

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prereq238_009Recursive self-improvement is already happening now (no longer three years out)AI
prereqSEM_008Training runs costing $10 billion for a single model will commence sometime in 2025.AI
prereqSEM_0422025 will be the definitive year that agentic systems finally hit the mainstream.AI/Agents
prereqSEM_012Nvidia quadrupled chip production output while only doubling human headcount — achieved by deploying AI coding tools (Cursor, Claude Code) across engineering.AI/Manufacturing
killerTK14Superbubble Pop (S&P 500 -40%, Moonshot Capital Evaporates)
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prereq241_043ASI will arrive within 2 years to 5 years to this next decadeAI
prereq231_013Math is cooked (will be solved), physics cooked, biology char broiled.AI
prereqCMQ_002By 2028, AI systems will reach 'independent researcher' level — driving autonomous scientific discoveries without human intervention.AI

Expected milestones (1)

From Sheet 17 Monitoring Triggers
Expected byDescriptionStatus
2026-12-31[Autonomous 2026-12] Tesla Robotaxi scaling; NHTSA AV rules [243_043] Tesla Cybercab priced around $30K vs Waymo cars around $150K [AUT_013] Tesla Robotaxi metro launch cadence; unsupervised FSD regulatory approvalspending

Linked documents (1)

Auto-generated by cosine similarity from Polymarket / Manifold / EDGAR / GDELT
SimSourceTitleMarket probPolarityReviewedPublished
0.664manifoldTesla reaches $400 before $300?70%mentionspending2026-04-25

Raw metadata

From Thesis_Timeline_v1.0_FINAL workbook
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