Autonomous ride costs will drop 10x vs today
Predictor: Dave Blundin · ep#242 "Elon Enters the Chip Race, the S&P 500 Repricing, and Human Drivers Will Become Illegal | EP #242" · source
Prediction text
Autonomous ride costs will drop 10x vs today | the cost of that ride should go down, you know, at least 10x cuz the car's coming down 10x and the and the driver is more than the car anyway
Watch events: Waymo 1M rides/wk (end-2026); Tesla Robotaxi scaling; NHTSA AV rules
Verbatim quote
the cost of that ride should go down, you know, at least 10x cuz the car's coming down 10x and the and the driver is more than the car anyway
Predictor: Dave Blundin
Calibration plot (stated vs observed)
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Probability over time
Milestone chain
- 2026-01-27hitWaymo charges $19.69/ride avg, $2-3/mile (Q1 2026 baseline)How: Public reporting confirms current Waymo rides at $19.69 avg, ~$2-3/mile baseline (vs Uber $17.47, Lyft $15.47)Source: https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/27/the-price-gap-between-waymo-and-uber-is-narrowing/conf 97%Notes: Baseline established. 10x reduction = ~$0.20-0.30/mile by 2030 horizon.
- 2027-02-20pendingQ1 window check-in (25%)
- 2027-12-14pendingQ2 window check-in (50%)
- 2027-01-01 → 2028-12-31pendingWaymo / robotaxi operator advertises sub-$1/mile pricing tierHow: At least one major robotaxi operator (Waymo, Tesla, Zoox) advertises retail pricing below $1.00/mile in at least one major US metro for 30 or more daysSource: Goldman Sachs forecast: AV cost-per-mile sub-$1 by 2030s; tracked via app pricing auditsconf 55%
- 2027-01-01 → 2029-12-31pendingSensor / hardware costs fall 80% or more from 2025 baselineHow: LiDAR plus sensor stack BOM cost per AV declines 80% or more vs 2025 baseline per Yole / IDTechEx trackingSource: Yole Developpement AV sensor reports, IDTechEx LiDAR annualconf 65%Notes: Sensor cost is the single largest unit-economics input per ARK. 80% drop is needed for 10x trip-cost reduction.
- 2028-10-05pendingQ3 window check-in (75%)
- 2028-06-01 → 2030-11-30pendingRetail robotaxi rides priced 40%+ cheaper than Uber/Lyft baselineHow: Median retail robotaxi fare in 5+ US metros is 40% or more below median Uber/Lyft fare for equivalent routeSource: Bloomberg/TechCrunch ride-cost benchmarkingconf 50%
- 2029-06-01 → 2030-11-30pendingRobotaxi cost-per-mile falls to $0.30-$0.50 range (10x reduction vs 2026)How: Effective cost-per-mile (operator unit economics, not retail price) reaches $0.30-$0.50 range in major US robotaxi marketSource: ARK Invest 'Autonomous Ridehailing Could Be More Profitable' analysis; operator earnings callsconf 45%Notes: 10x reduction is aggressive — Goldman/ARK base cases project 5-7x by 2030. 10x by 2030 is upper-band scenario.
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Evidence chain
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Top incoming (parents)
Edges that influence THIS node's belief
| Kind | Node | Their prob | P(c|s=T) | P(c|s=F) | Δ implied |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | S_ROBOTAXI_MASS_2030 Robotaxi >10% urban miles by Nov 2030 | 30.0% | 0.600 | 0.050 | -0.266 |
| killer | TK06 China-Taiwan Military Conflict | 8.0% | 0.050 | 0.600 | +0.075 |
| killer | TK03 AI Regulatory Moratorium (EU/US Capability Freeze) | 10.0% | 0.050 | 0.600 | +0.064 |
| killer | TK02 AI Compute Supply Shock (TSMC/Taiwan Disruption) | 12.0% | 0.050 | 0.600 | +0.053 |
| killer | TK05 Rate Regime Persistence (10y > 5% through 2028) | 30.0% | 0.050 | 0.600 | -0.046 |
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Beneficiaries (24)
Adverse (6)
Prerequisites (6)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| prereq | S_ROBOTAXI_MASS_2030 | Robotaxi >10% urban miles by Nov 2030 | robotaxi_deployment | — |
| killer | TK05 | Rate Regime Persistence (10y > 5% through 2028) | — | — |
| killer | TK01 | AGI Capability Plateau (2026-27 Training Stall) | — | — |
| killer | TK02 | AI Compute Supply Shock (TSMC/Taiwan Disruption) | — | — |
| killer | TK03 | AI Regulatory Moratorium (EU/US Capability Freeze) | — | — |
| killer | TK06 | China-Taiwan Military Conflict | — | — |
Dependents (0)
| Type | Pred | Title | Domain | Lag |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| No dependents | ||||
Linked documents (4)
| Sim | Source | Title | Market prob | Polarity | Reviewed | Published |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0.669 | manifold | Next day with a US average gas price decrease? | — | mentions | pending | 2026-05-03 |
| 0.582 | manifold | Will US Average Gas Price fall below $4.10 in May 2026? | 6% | mentions | pending | 2026-05-10 |
| 0.573 | manifold | Will US Average Gas Prices rise or fall 10 cents in one day in May 2026? | 57% | mentions | pending | 2026-04-30 |
| 0.566 | manifold | Price of gas on Election Day? | — | mentions | pending | 2026-04-25 |
Raw metadata
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